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	<title>Comments on: Follow The Sun &#8211; Tips For Offshore Development</title>
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		<title>By: im.grammer at yahoo.com</title>
		<link>http://pmstories.com/2008/09/17/follow-the-sun/comment-page-1/#comment-9337</link>
		<dc:creator>im.grammer at yahoo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keeping programmers in your room is expensive.

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/6157291/15991610

i invite you to watch that video.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keeping programmers in your room is expensive.</p>
<p><a href="http://video.yahoo.com/watch/6157291/15991610" rel="nofollow">http://video.yahoo.com/watch/6157291/15991610</a></p>
<p>i invite you to watch that video.</p>
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		<title>By: Bas</title>
		<link>http://pmstories.com/2008/09/17/follow-the-sun/comment-page-1/#comment-1927</link>
		<dc:creator>Bas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Guys,

Thanks for the great discussion...

The main point I want to make is in the title: you can make use of globalization and virtualization to create resilience in the process, to make it more adaptable to changes in the environment.

Cost is not a element in my argument. (of course it is for a lot of companies). But I agree with all of you: &quot;if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys&quot;. But this is valid in any country.

Yes, the process creates challenges, but also opportunities. It can be done. And in some cases, it has to be. I live in a small country and we will be running out of IT people in a couple of years. We need the additional workforce for example, but we cannot support everyone living here.

A long way to go, for sure :)

Cheers
Bas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Guys,</p>
<p>Thanks for the great discussion&#8230;</p>
<p>The main point I want to make is in the title: you can make use of globalization and virtualization to create resilience in the process, to make it more adaptable to changes in the environment.</p>
<p>Cost is not a element in my argument. (of course it is for a lot of companies). But I agree with all of you: &#8220;if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys&#8221;. But this is valid in any country.</p>
<p>Yes, the process creates challenges, but also opportunities. It can be done. And in some cases, it has to be. I live in a small country and we will be running out of IT people in a couple of years. We need the additional workforce for example, but we cannot support everyone living here.</p>
<p>A long way to go, for sure <img src='http://pmstories.com/en/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Bas</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Ramm</title>
		<link>http://pmstories.com/2008/09/17/follow-the-sun/comment-page-1/#comment-1925</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Ramm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cornelius, thank you for your comment. Your arguments are true and I believe that saving money is not a good reason to offshore the development.

If you want to be closer to your new market, to understand the customer better and to serve them better, then you may want to offshore some part of the work. But hoping that you can save on the development cost is not safe because you are going to increase the cost in communication and in quality as you correctly pointed out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cornelius, thank you for your comment. Your arguments are true and I believe that saving money is not a good reason to offshore the development.</p>
<p>If you want to be closer to your new market, to understand the customer better and to serve them better, then you may want to offshore some part of the work. But hoping that you can save on the development cost is not safe because you are going to increase the cost in communication and in quality as you correctly pointed out.</p>
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		<title>By: Cornelius Fichtner</title>
		<link>http://pmstories.com/2008/09/17/follow-the-sun/comment-page-1/#comment-1924</link>
		<dc:creator>Cornelius Fichtner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have worked in a number of companies that decided to offshore their software development. The primary reason in all cases was (as Craig has already pointed out) cost. 

However, what I have learned is that saving on cost comes at a cost: 

- Your on-shore project managers will work longer hours because of the need for increased project coordination and project communication. This will increase your cost.
- Your business analysts have to be more detailed in their analysis because the developers cannot just walk over to them and ask &quot;What exactly did you mean on page 20?&quot;. This will increase your cost.
- In every case of sw development offshoring that I have witnessed the quality of the returned code was below expectations. This lead to the increased need of on-site code reviews, more communications and and additional rework. This will again increase your cost.

So based on my experience, I would have to say that following the sun to save cost doesn&#039;t work.

Until Next Time,
Cornelius Fichtner, PMP
The Project Management Podcast</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have worked in a number of companies that decided to offshore their software development. The primary reason in all cases was (as Craig has already pointed out) cost. </p>
<p>However, what I have learned is that saving on cost comes at a cost: </p>
<p>- Your on-shore project managers will work longer hours because of the need for increased project coordination and project communication. This will increase your cost.<br />
- Your business analysts have to be more detailed in their analysis because the developers cannot just walk over to them and ask &#8220;What exactly did you mean on page 20?&#8221;. This will increase your cost.<br />
- In every case of sw development offshoring that I have witnessed the quality of the returned code was below expectations. This lead to the increased need of on-site code reviews, more communications and and additional rework. This will again increase your cost.</p>
<p>So based on my experience, I would have to say that following the sun to save cost doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>Until Next Time,<br />
Cornelius Fichtner, PMP<br />
The Project Management Podcast</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Ramm</title>
		<link>http://pmstories.com/2008/09/17/follow-the-sun/comment-page-1/#comment-1862</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Ramm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that sometimes a dispersed team can be effecive but they should not be spread too far from each other. Outsourcing to another country always brings cultural and communication problems and the time difference is a serious obstacle to the comunication process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that sometimes a dispersed team can be effecive but they should not be spread too far from each other. Outsourcing to another country always brings cultural and communication problems and the time difference is a serious obstacle to the comunication process.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason for distributed teams is usually cost, not speed.

Pawell and you both highlight the problem of degraded communcaotins within the team.  you&#039;ll get faster and better results if you put the whole team in one room.

Everything that moves away from this principle must be weighed against an expected diminshing speed and quality.

I recommend readon some of Graham Durant-Law&#039;s blog on networks of people and how layers and network nodes increase complexity - which we all know is a killer to software prjects.

We should instead be looking at what we can do to maximise communcation and minismise interruptions nad mis-interprestations.

Step 1: Team in the same room.
Step 2: Team working at the customer&#039;s site</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason for distributed teams is usually cost, not speed.</p>
<p>Pawell and you both highlight the problem of degraded communcaotins within the team.  you&#8217;ll get faster and better results if you put the whole team in one room.</p>
<p>Everything that moves away from this principle must be weighed against an expected diminshing speed and quality.</p>
<p>I recommend readon some of Graham Durant-Law&#8217;s blog on networks of people and how layers and network nodes increase complexity &#8211; which we all know is a killer to software prjects.</p>
<p>We should instead be looking at what we can do to maximise communcation and minismise interruptions nad mis-interprestations.</p>
<p>Step 1: Team in the same room.<br />
Step 2: Team working at the customer&#8217;s site</p>
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		<title>By: Pawel Brodzinski</title>
		<link>http://pmstories.com/2008/09/17/follow-the-sun/comment-page-1/#comment-1857</link>
		<dc:creator>Pawel Brodzinski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me &quot;follow the sun&quot; principle always brings more issues than benefits. Productivity losses brought by geographically distributed teams are huge exactly for the reason you&#039;ve brought: communication issues.

You can work 24h a day and be able to produce less than in standard workday. That&#039;s the same situation as sometimes happen with experienced specialist who can&#039;t be replaced with 3 newbies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me &#8220;follow the sun&#8221; principle always brings more issues than benefits. Productivity losses brought by geographically distributed teams are huge exactly for the reason you&#8217;ve brought: communication issues.</p>
<p>You can work 24h a day and be able to produce less than in standard workday. That&#8217;s the same situation as sometimes happen with experienced specialist who can&#8217;t be replaced with 3 newbies.</p>
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